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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    It should be about the person and the machine getting the best out of the land, I don't moan when "nothing" comes up from a rally.

    Corfe gives you the time and space to do that, if you can work through the hangover
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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    It was a good night last night David wasn't it. I was one of the few, you included who lasted by the fire listening to some sad brunny jokes till one in the morning but we did get to enjoy a chunk of JCs birthday cake that his wife had packed for him, very nice it was and soaked some of the excess booze up that we had all consumed.









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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    An excellent night Tony, those who didnt turn up its thier loss, they missed a fantastic night and a great week. I must admit I felt a bit tender this morning, I cant think why Thanks for organising the whole thing, top man. Dave.
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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    Not quite "seeding" as previously discussed but, perhaps, of slight interest:

    Went to a "charity rally" yesterday and was pleased to see in the "blurb", "The land is undetected according to the landowner and the Rotary Club so it could be very interesting".

    Forgetting the 303 points and cases which littered the substantial amount of land available, I was somewhat disappointed to find three items similar to the one shown below. This one is a painted disc while the other two were "ship halfpennies" again with a blob of paint on one side. Two other detectorists who I spoke two had also found similar items.

    Most land in this country has been detected on by the odd local detectorist and that does not concern me. However, these finds remind me of the buried tokens which entitled the finder to enter a prize draw - a scenario which suggests that a major hunt had taken place in the "undetected" area (allegedly).

    I won't comment on the line which stated "it will be easy to walk and detect on" - at least it was not wet like the Somme If I was 50 years younger and fitter I may have spent more than 15 minutes in the ploughed fields before spending the rest of the day in uncultivated areas. Suggestions liked "wimp" are not welcomed - at least I did not join the many attendees that left early

    Had I found a stater (or similar) it would have been a 5 star dig but I'm happy that my £'s went to a good cause

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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    Quote Originally Posted by jon_jn View Post
    There has been a few people that have mentioned on here and on other forums that metal detecting rallys get a lot of their finds planted by the organiser,is this true and if so what are your thoughts on this??
    Some years ago there were some commercial rallies run in Norfolk. I went to several because it is always nice to detect somewhere different. After a visit or two I noticed that there was a "select group" who appeared to know the organisers well. As soon as the start was signalled they all bolted to a far corner of the field and left the rest of us way behind - it was strange - they seemed to come up with some decent finds....
    I did fix them on one occasion, on a field notable only for the spectacular number of shotgun cartridge ends. I followed one of the "selects" up the side of the field and in his footsteps I found a Tealby penny in way above average condition for the issue. When the organisers saw what I had found I got a very sour look! I never went to another of those rallies. I heard later that the organisers had a relative who was some sort of a coin dealer.
    A result I reckon!

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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    i wish the rallys i have just come back from had been seeded

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    im sure some rally fields are seeded ive been on a few rallys not many . i dont no why they have to seed a few finds, as most fields have something good in them especially with the amount of people detecting, it would be hard not for a few good finds to come up.I was a bit suspicious on one hammy i found on a rally as i kick some earth away and there it was i could see it was a hammy straight away without bending down as it look like it had some silver foil treatment too it on one side and it just stood out.A lot of genuine hammered were found that day they were a deep purple colour a lot different to the one i found and it was close to the cars the one i found. I did find a cut half this was also a deep purple colour.Now the question is did the organiser put it there or did a detectorist accidentaly drop it, because ive seen detectorist bring hammereds with them maybe to show others or as test pieces.
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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    Well I have just come back from a weekend charity rally organised by another club in our vast county and attended by only invited neighbouring clubs. There was no seeding there, you had to work hard for your finds over the 150 acres available. We raised over £2,600 for the village, think it was for the school.
    I must admit I have never been on a proper commercial rally and can see the incentives for them to prepare the ground in advance so as to speak.
    As an SLO for my club, I just organise the digs and tell them not to winge if finds are scarce, that is beyond my control all I can do is provide the land. I enjoy the chit chat with other like minded people and a bit of fresh air, a decent find is not the be all and end all, its a bonus.

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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Hunt View Post
    It was a good night last night David wasn't it. I was one of the few, you included who lasted by the fire listening to some sad brunny jokes till one in the morning but we did get to enjoy a chunk of JCs birthday cake that his wife had packed for him, very nice it was and soaked some of the excess booze up that we had all consumed.
    Had to laugh after David poured Dave P a brandy... he took one sip and poured it back in the bottle! Certainly helped me sleep well!!!

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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Hunt View Post
    . I have been on rallies in the past where roman coins have suddenly started appearing after lunch where there were non in the morning. .
    You mean corfe dont ya where someone planted some coins, then reckoned to find em in the afternoon, tut tut should have been named and shamed

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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    No I dont mean Corfe mick, the roman coins I was on about were on 3 different rallies I happened to be on over the years all done by the same man and they were big rallies usually of 4-500 detectorists so somebody gained big time from repeat business through cheating people. As I stated earlier I personally, nor others involved ever had anything to gain financially from cheating anybody at Corfe. What little monies we managed to make each year went to keeping the forum running for everybodys benefit.









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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    Corfe was seeded with shotgun shells. But no worries I dug up about 200 myself.
    Would dig another 200 just to have another get together at Corfe.
    Thanks Tony , Gwen and everyone that made it happen and made it a time to remember.

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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Hunt View Post
    No I dont mean Corfe mick, the roman coins I was on about were on 3 different rallies I happened to be on over the years all done by the same man and they were big rallies usually of 4-500 detectorists so somebody gained big time from repeat business through cheating people. As I stated earlier I personally, nor others involved ever had anything to gain financially from cheating anybody at Corfe. What little monies we managed to make each year went to keeping the forum running for everybodys benefit.
    defiantly no cheating at corfe just damned good detecting and company, but next time you could seed it a little bit.......please

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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    I've got a couple of kilos of pre-decimal in the shed

    But it's not going anywhere near Corfe.
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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    I would sooner go home with nowt than find a load of seeded find's.What is the point,not to mention that find's would be out of context.People against detecting could have a field day.Just my opinion on rallies which wish to do this.

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    I agree with you Dave, if you find certain areas producing finds like I did on one rally a few years back where all the hammerds came up in a corner of a field near the road, it wasn't a hoard or purse drop, they were clean and shallow/surface finds all out of context.
    A number of individuals were virtually running to get there, which made it obvious what was going on.

    Corfe is a very different rally which I hope to get to next year, that is if one is organised, did one a few years ago and it was a really good event, just a pity I couldn't do this year.

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    Yes some are and always will be just as people go on canned hunts and driven shoots, or stocked trout or salmon farms rather than wild, it might not be right but if you need a guarentee of sport then it has to be supplied.
    Some people dont have the time to put in hours of effort finding land and then hours of detecting in the hope that they find an item that justifies the expense so for them a rally with a few items placed probably ticks the boxes.
    If like others on here you wish to find items that through fate have been lost or thrown away at some point in the mists of time then the commercial rally will always be a gamble and doubt will probably kick in if you do find a keeper.

    Each to their own Im in the hobby to get away from the controler and chillout with like minded people IF I find an Item Im just happy and not going to question it to much.

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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    Hi Kyle how's you matey......
    Yes mate wherever money changes hands that's business...and where alot changes hands and the more found the more people will return.
    see it how you like...im just Summing up.....dishonest....misleading....cheating....neve r said it was honest business and not all do it but from my experience nothing is certain on finding top land.
    Don't like rallies myself for all listed in other posts..and try and go on smaller one with organisers with reputation.

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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    Quote Originally Posted by jerrykerry View Post
    Don't like rallies myself for all listed in other posts..and try and go on smaller one with organisers with reputation.
    Like next week shhh
    MAD??? im not mad, not so as i dont know.

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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    See you in the tub cutie.....

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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    Quote Originally Posted by dave9 View Post
    I would sooner go home with nowt than find a load of seeded find's.What is the point,not to mention that find's would be out of context.People against detecting could have a field day.Just my opinion on rallies which wish to do this.
    Nicely put

    Nothing worse than finding a barrelled coin and thinking:

    "I'm possibly only the 5th person to handle this since it was lost 1700 years ago"

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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    I have read this thread with a keen interest and found it very fascinating. The reason I am so interested is I like watching Chicargo Rons videos when he comes here from the states to detect somewhere close to Colchester and every trip they have had they seem to find Saxon Gold or other very nice and not very common finds. I once tried to attend one of these week long trips after contacting Ron who told me I need to go through colchestertreasurehunting, I contacted them and was told as I am not from outside of the UK I cannot go on one of these detecting type holidays with them. The cost of these trips for an American is and the price does not include airfare or eating out! for the 2012 season is 1600.00 U.S. per week. Usually about 10 or more attend these so the money made for 2 weeks by the operators is pretty good. Any way at the last rally I attended I got talking about Chicargo Ron and about all these gold coins they keep finding and not one but several people explained to me that these fields were seeded to keep the Americans coming back and paying the required fees. This has now affected the way I view Rons videos now and sort of taken the shiny look of the great finds shown off what he and his friends were finding. Here is the list of finds they have made in the seven years detecting trips over in the UK. What do you think? Have the organizers really planted the finds....

    I have been running these trips for 7 years now, that's 14 trips, 31 weeks of detecting in England. We have found 44 gold coins, 23 celtic,4 Saxon,5 hammered 2 roman and 9 milled. 17 gold rings, ancient, medieval, 1700 to present. Celtic Silver, Saxon Silver, and artifacts from every period 1200 B.C. to present.

    This hunt is for serious detectorists, We hunt from 7 am to dusk. Rain or shine. you should plan on 10 or 11 hours of hunting per day.When you are done hunting for 1, 2, or 3 weeks you will bag all your finds with your name and all contact information. Our host will then do all paperwork for an export license. He will be the liaison with the coroner and the museum. Your finds can be shipped to you if you wish (cost is 20 pounds for up to 2 kilos)or you can pick your finds up on the next trip.

    Your trip includes: 15,000 + acres to wander, about 350 fields (and he is getting new land every year), all export paperwork, 7 nights at the barn, van rental, gas, transportation to and from airport. We have breakfast (cereal, oatmeal,muffins, toast, coffee, juice,no eggs and bacon), lunches and snacks. I cook 2 dinners at the barn and buy fish and chips one night. Plan on eating out 4 nights per week. The Pub has specials and there is Chinese, fish and chips, and Indian takeout.
    *Note: The first rule in the Treasure Hunter’s Code is “Dig for everything”. You never know what you may find.

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    Re: Are metal detecting rallys seeded??

    Look's like they seem to do very well as regard's to the amount of gold they find.In the real world of detecting (as far as i am concerned) the other find's should out way the gold find's.They must think the UK is full of gold find's

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    I would say seeded for sure,perhaps we could invite him here to answer this for us....http://www.chicagoron.com/

    he is also on face book....http://www.facebook.com/pages/Chicag...32537030117545
    Last edited by jon_jn; 06-10-2012 at 11:10 PM.

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    Unreal ratio of finds there... I wouldnt mind a seeded rally if i knew it was being done but not if its shady!!
    Some hammered do pop out shiny, I had an Eddy at Corfe this year that looked way too clean but there's no bloody way it was seeded!

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