Poaching Someones Permission

[marcinch1979]

You'll be taking all your mates there then marcin to share your permission?

they been there Tony, but other way I was invited by others and always politely/discretely refuse

[stephenking]

this thread is weird!!!!!!!!
if you had good land whether it was 2 acres or 20,000 acres you wouldnt want anyone going on it.
and thats the way it should be!
call me greedy if you like as i have thousands and thousands of acres which i will never detect.
but as long as i have permission on them i would make sure nobody else got on there.

[brian.w]

This is getting like the big land grab Get off moy laaaand. well if this is how things are ment to be. Then i am officially claiming the beach high tide line to low tide line, Between whitby and skeggy as mine so keep off. I have official permission from the crown to metal detect that shore. so Keeep off moyyy laaaand

[Slow_n_low]

Im Sparticus

[stephenking]

im sparticus

[stephenking]

[defenderben]

I just hope that the rest ot the worlds detectorists do not adopt this sort of attitude:

"call me greedy if you like as i have thousands and thousands of acres which i will never detect.
but as long as i have permission on them i would make sure nobody else got on there."

I hope you never loose your permissions and then tried to get new permissions to find all the land had people already detecting with permissions in place where they adopt this attitude to others

Unless you own the land how can you say something like that???

Hope that was a joke?

[metalcat]

I just hope that the rest ot the worlds detectorists do not adopt this sort of attitude:

"call me greedy if you like as i have thousands and thousands of acres which i will never detect.
but as long as i have permission on them i would make sure nobody else got on there."

I hope you never loose your permissions and then tried to get new permissions to find all the land had people already detecting with permissions in place where they adopt this attitude to others

Unless you own the land how can you say something like that???

Hope that was a joke?

I agree, bet it would be a different story if he had no land

[brian.w]

he is spartacus

[geoff]

Oh dear..I think Spartacus is a mutton head,& your all welcome on my land as long as you don't ask me first,(I am a land owner by the way)!

Such is life,probably time I stopped taking hay off it & ploughed the land!

[Slow_n_low]

The reason Danny says that is because he struggled getting on any land, so to get on the farm and land he mentions he come to an agreement with the farmer of £500 a year, the farmer wouldnt of let anybody on anyway but Danny being a persistant pest started bartering with said farmer and bobs ya uncle.
I know of 50 people Danny has had on his land plus lots of personal invites, can you few above say you have shared your land like that even though he pays a wad for it himself of course he is protecective over it.

[omegamike]

This thread must be opening your eyes much wider geoff?. I think we can take two things from this thread although the original subject has taken a few twists and turns along the way. The two things are:

1. We have folk on here that most certainly GIVE BACK as much as they take. Tony and Neil are two such examples. Tony prepared to share his 'permission' year after year and organise a great get-together. Neil always sharing his vast knowledge of the hobby at the expense of his own detecting time.

2. We have folk who take, take, take without so much as a thought about others and give NOTHING back. They are obviously prepared to step on anyones toes to get what they want. There are millions of acres of land out there but they still insist on plonking themselves down on tried and trusted land that's capable of producing good finds - land that other folk have taken the bother to search out over the years with a great deal of time and effort invested in doing so. They should get off their back sides and do their OWN research on land instead of stealing others!.

Me! I give back in so many ways myself. Always on site to offer the odd bit of advise or the odd ID. My farmers are rewarded for their kindness with displays you could kill for !!! and probably most importantly I record all my finds on UKDFD. I know that a lot of you on here don't record your finds on UKDFD or PAS and if your one of them you should be ashamed as it's history being thrown down the drain as far as recording our history is concerned. Get yourselves logged onto UKDFD and start recording - you know it makes sense.

I'm not saying you can't knock on a farmers door to ask permission. In my book everyone has the right to ask. But if you have values, morals, scruples etc.... you know very well you don't knock on a farmers door asking for permission on land that you know very well is detected, researched and shared by others that produces good finds. Get off your lazy back sides and do your own research and put the many hundreds of hours of detecting in to find those spots yourself without poaching, yes, poaching other peoples hard work!.

[stewart73]

Very interesting discussion. I've only ever detected in Japan and Canada so I guess the "system" is a bit different from the UK...I've never hunted on somebody elses private land so I've never had to deal with the whole permission thing (though I am considering it here for the rice fields). In my (absolutely amateur) opinion it seems a bit strange that people feel they have exclusive rights to somebody's land simply because the owner has given them permission to detect. How could you be angry if somebody else asked the farmer for permission and it was granted? How do you have any say in that? It is not your land to accept or refuse other people coming on. This kind of reminds me of the people you meet in the park or the beach who give you dirty looks for detecting 'their' area. As for private land I figure that whomever the owner chooses to allow on their land should be able to hunt in peace. How can you really claim land as your own simply because the owner had the good graces to allow you onto it in the first place? I don't get it, but as I say, I live a world away. I am always telling people about great places I've found to detect...it's not all about the finds for me. The more the merrier I say. It seems absurd that some people have thousands of acres locked up only for themselves. Yuck.

[omegamike]

Stewart, you have to bear in mind the time and effort people put into this hobby. Some folk spend years and what amounts to hundreds of hours work to find those areas that produce. While others sit and wait, put little effort into things (if any?) and then when the time's wright they pounce (ponse should be a better word) and reep the rewards of others hard work. You have to ask yourself how would you feel if you detected a particular farm for years and years with very little reward then one day you literally struck gold! only to find out a week later that every Tom, Dick and Harry was getting permission to chip away at that gold mine that you took YEARS to find. I for one wouldn't be very happy. That's why I mainly stick to my two farms that I exclusively have permission for. I know if I strike gold that I and I alone will reep the rewards of MY efforts and hard work. I'm lucky in the respect that these two farmers really do hate detectorists in general. Why did I get permission do you ask? because I look on the hobby as much more than detecting. I made sure they knew I recorded finds for the history books and that they would be rewarded with a little piece of history for themselves every now and then. That I police the land as far as fly tippers, shooters and illegal detecting is concerned. In a nut shell they know it would be an advantage to have me on their land.

[Tony Hunt]

The reason Danny says that is because he struggled getting on any land, so to get on the farm and land he mentions he come to an agreement with the farmer of £500 a year, the farmer wouldnt of let anybody on anyway but Danny being a persistant pest started bartering with said farmer and bobs ya uncle.
I know of 50 people Danny has had on his land plus lots of personal invites, can you few above say you have shared your land like that even though he pays a wad for it himself of course he is protecective over it.

Over the years I have been in the MLO I have always tried to share some of the land I have permission on with other members. A lot of the farms that Dave and I have permission on wont allow us to take guests but we have got round it occasionally by sneeking one other on or at a stretch two, we just make sure we fan out so that we are not easy to count at a distance . Over the years I have taken many members from this forum when they have been staying locally such as GaryS, Jim Leonard, Gary Brun, Carolyn and obviously Michiel & Danielle. Also many others but always one and no more than two at a time.
Our farmers don't like crowds and we have to respect that, much the same as we will not detect crops, growing corn etc once its up and growing strongly. Basically its all about trying to minimise damage caused and the fact that we want to be invited again.

Neil and several others have enjoyed an old club field of mine in Salisbury each time they come to corfe. I told them about it so that they could extend their stays on the way to corfe and I knew the farmer wouldnt mind them going there because he doesnt worry about anybody visiting.
So, as well as the 800 acres on the two farms at corfe I have shared I reckon I have done my share before anybody accuses me of keeping our thousands of acres to ourselves. I even got the ball rolling at Bedford last year. That could of been and should have been a site for a regular MLO rally for several years to come but because of things that were said and done or not done at the time it ended up going to somebody else so we lost that one.

[Tony Hunt]

Stewart, you have to bear in mind the time and effort people put into this hobby. Some folk spend years and what amounts to hundreds of hours work to find those areas that produce. While others sit and wait, put little effort into things (if any?) and then when the time's wright they pounce (ponse should be a better word) and reep the rewards of others hard work. You have to ask yourself how would you feel if you detected a particular farm for years and years with very little reward then one day you literally struck gold! only to find out a week later that every Tom, Dick and Harry was getting permission to chip away at that gold mine that you took YEARS to find. I for one wouldn't be very happy. That's why I mainly stick to my two farms that I exclusively have permission for. I know if I strike gold that I and I alone will reep the rewards of MY efforts and hard work. I'm lucky in the respect that these two farmers really do hate detectorists in general. Why did I get permission do you ask? because I look on the hobby as much more than detecting. I made sure they knew I recorded finds for the history books and that they would be rewarded with a little piece of history for themselves every now and then. That I police the land as far as fly tippers, shooters and illegal detecting is concerned. In a nut shell they know it would be an advantage to have me on their land.

Mikes piece above rings very true as far as helping to police the land. Often our farmers have said to us its nice knowing you two are wandering around keeping an eye out for troublemakers, poachers etc. These days most of the big landowners work with very few staff and at weekends especially for two days its only the farmer himself who is around.
Dave and I very often rescue sheep from brambles and barbed wire while we are detecting, we also watch for cattle calving that might be in distress. We often get called to look for expensive pieces of farm machinery or hidden waterpipes not to mention wedding and engagement rings lost around the farm.
People in big groups or on rallies probably wouldnt bother looking for animals in trouble thinking the farmers bound to see that before long, we always bother, another reason why we get so much permission.

[brian.w]

Bang on

[brian.w]

Very interesting discussion. I've only ever detected in Japan and Canada so I guess the "system" is a bit different from the UK...I've never hunted on somebody elses private land so I've never had to deal with the whole permission thing (though I am considering it here for the rice fields). In my (absolutely amateur) opinion it seems a bit strange that people feel they have exclusive rights to somebody's land simply because the owner has given them permission to detect. How could you be angry if somebody else asked the farmer for permission and it was granted? How do you have any say in that? It is not your land to accept or refuse other people coming on. This kind of reminds me of the people you meet in the park or the beach who give you dirty looks for detecting 'their' area. As for private land I figure that whomever the owner chooses to allow on their land should be able to hunt in peace. How can you really claim land as your own simply because the owner had the good graces to allow you onto it in the first place? I don't get it, but as I say, I live a world away. I am always telling people about great places I've found to detect...it's not all about the finds for me. The more the merrier I say. It seems absurd that some people have thousands of acres locked up only for themselves. Yuck.

Bang on,

[Tony Hunt]

Don't matter how much we all go on in these posts and replies, for and against your always going to get those who have been lucky in achieving permissions for whatever reason and those who have to rely on others or rallies etc for their pleasures. One well known member of MLO has often told me he will never try to get permissions himself because he has the broadest Cockney accent you ever heard and as soon as he opens his mouth he can see the farmers cringing . I can imagine if he turned up wearing a hoody as well as having the cockney accent People can't help sounding like they do, think he's being a bit hard on himself.

[20rav]

I can certainly vouch for Tony's generosity with his detecting land.

[GaryBrun]

I can certainly vouch for Tony's generosity with his detecting land.

Me too as well as his mate Dave.

[stephenking]

if people made more of an effort with their local farmers to get permission.
like odd jobs and the odd bottle of whisky then they might get permission.
this subject is absolutely pathetic.
just like the way the forum kicks you out after spending 25 minutes writing a reply.
what is the point of booting you off whilst drafting a post im furious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

[GaryBrun]

if people made more of an effort with their local farmers to get permission.
like odd jobs and the odd bottle of whisky then they might get permission.
this subject is absolutely pathetic.
just like the way the forum kicks you out after spending 25 minutes writing a reply.
what is the point of booting you off whilst drafting a post im furious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

Well I personally think you need to take a break from the forum if little things like this make you furious-.. youll be having a heartattack next!!

As well as the fourm kicking you off... I will kick you off if you dont watch the language.

[stephenking]

hahahaha it is streesfull

[offa]

if people made more of an effort with their local farmers to get permission.
like odd jobs and the odd bottle of whisky then they might get permission.

Very true is that Danny.
I know a local chap who always moans about not having any new land to go on. The joke is he will not ask any farmers!! He is in his mid 60's,..so not some nervous youngster!! We actually ended up giving him the nickname ''poacher'' because despite loads & loads of days out detecting with a few of us on our permissions he NEVER once took us on his farm,...Every excuse under the sun, but his best and most common was,..''I have only got one farm'',..you have got loads of land. In the end it backfired because nobody invites him now!!

My Mrs is constantly amazed,(and embarassed), by my apparent cheek,....I will ask anybody for anything,...I honestly do not care what they think. My motto is ,..''don't ask,...don't get'',...A bit rude perhaps but what is the worst that can happen???? They can say NO,....But every now and then people say YES!!